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06 10 2011 இதழ்
உபயம்: திருவாளர்கள்:
அருண், நாராயணன், எஸ்.கே.எம், வெங்கட், ஷாகுல் ஹமீது, சிங்கை சிவாஸ் (சோலையூரான்), பார்த்தா, வாஹே குரு, கிருஷ்ணன்,
(Page 1 of 7 as of 12 Oct 2011 530 PM SGT 300PM IST).
Singai Sivas
மதுரை 12 சிவலோக நாதன் வீட்டினர் இன்று பாவம், அவர் வீட்டில் எந்த (குட்டிச்) சுவற்றையாவது தேடித்தேடி 'இந்த ஆளிடம் போய் என் கேள்வியைக் கேட்டேனே, இதற்கு அவர் பதில் சொல்லாமலேயே இருந்திருக்கலாம்' என்று முட்டிக்கொள்
SKM, USA
Ha ha ha!
ஆனால் அதே சிவலோகநாதன் இன்னொரு கேள்வியும் கேட்டிருக்கிறார். திராவிட இனத்தைப் பற்றிய கேள்வி. சோ-வின் பதில் அபாரம். திராவிட நாட்டுக்கு இப்படி ஒரு definition-ஐப் பார்த்ததில்லை.
Singai Sivas
NSM, I guess you got the Editor's point, to your question. I am sure you are disappointed with his response!!
கூடவே, ' நாராயண, நாராயண !! இந்த வாரம் முதல் திரியைக் கொளுத்திப்போட்டுள்ளேன், எப்போது வெடிக்குமோ வெடிக்காதோ அல்லது புஸ்வாணமாகுமா, யாதொன்றும் அறியேன் பராபரமே!! நாரதர் கலகம் நன்மையாக முடியக் கடவது!!
[NH 45 Tanjore Main Road Junction after Tindivanam, இந்த வாரம் அங்கே நான் திக்குமுக்காடி நிற்க அவசியமில்லை, என்னுடைய பேருந்து சரியாக வந்து அடுத்த வாரத்திற்குள் நான் ஊர்போய்ச் சேருவேனா, தெரியாது!!]
N.S.M. Shahul Hameed
கிடக்கிறது கிடக்கட்டும் கிழவனைத்தூக்கி மனையிலே வை என்று ஆரம்பிக்கப்பட்டுவிட்டது நமது தமிழ்ச் சங்கம்!. நாட்டைப்பற்றி மிகவும் கவலைப்பட்டு துக்ளக் பணியாற்றிக் கொண்டிருக்கையில் நாம் இந்த தெருக்கூத்து அடிப்பது, 'துன்பம் வரும் வேலையிலே சிரிங்க' என்று தத்துவத்தின் அடிப்படையில்தான் என்பதை தமிழ் அன்னையிடம் பனிவோடு அறிவித்து விடுவோம்.
'சங்கத் தமிழ் மூன்றும் தா' என்று சிங்கை சிவா வோ, SKM USA வோ, அல்லது எல்லா ஏற்பாட்டிற்கும் காரணமான நாராயணனோ, WGயோ, வெங்கட்டோ சீனுவோ அல்லது அடியேனோ வேண்டிகொண்டு மற்றவர்களையும் களத்தில் கைபிடித்து இறக்கிவிடுவதை தொடங்கவேண்டும். இந்த வாரம் எதைப்பற்றி என்று யாராவது சொல்லாவிட்டால், கம்பனையோ கற்பனையோ விற்பனை செய்வதைத்தவிர வேறு வழியில்லை. இல்லே இன்னும் கொஞ்சம் வட்டாரச் சொல்லிலே கொட்டமடித்துவிட்டு மேற்செல்லலாமா?
Arun
Huh - what a co-incidence.
Cho has echoed my views ( in a better way ) in his answer to Mr. NSM, for the question regarding Modi. Very crisp and to the point - I hope it puts in perspective, the blind-hatred and "whatever-he-does-it-has-to-be-wrong-because-he-caused-the-riots" attitude that people have towards Modi.
The same similarities hold true for the third page article on the status of Muslims in Gujarat compared to other states - very similar thoughts that I posted here last week - with more details though.
Is Cho a mind-reader or does he really review our blog !!
Singai Sivas
NSM's response is awaited, today being last working day for him for the week, he might take out his sword on Thursday.......being weekend!!
SKM, USA
Dear Sri. Arun & Sri. WG,
Yes, I too feel the same way as WG on whether Cho reads our blogs or not. That article arguing for nuclear power plant really sent a chill through my spine. Because it looked like such a great response to what I had written. I only mentioned the Three Mile Island case as an example and refrained from referring to Chernobyl because I thought that would make my blog look too long. But wow! That author has written about Chernobyl and related cases that I am aware of. I still don't agree with the author. In addition to a malnourished country we don't need the possibility of a radiated country. But I do think Cho reads our blogs and am really taken aback by his interest and thoroughness in getting to know his readers. Kudos!
வாஹே குரு
சு சுவாமியின் அடுத்த bomb ராபர்ட் வதோரா (பிரியங்காவின் கணவர்) wait & see---WG
SKM, USA
Sri. WG,
I believe you! And also think it is high time he did it!
வாஹே குரு
///மூன்று நாள் உண்ணாவிரதம் இருப்பதால், நாடு தன்னை பிரதமராக ஏற்றுக் கொண்டுவிடப் போகிறது என்று நரேந்திர மோடி நினைத்திருக்க மாட்டார். அந்த அளவுக்கு அவர் ஏமாளி அல்ல./// நாடு அல்ல திரு சோ அவர்களே, பி ஜே பி.---WG
Partha
Shahul:
Modi administration is clean and efficient.He is being not corrupt among India leaders makes him shine well. But his rule is black marked with 2002 riots. The cases are still in court and how long it will take to decide we do not know. Even Modi is proved innocent by courts, he failed to prevent the deaths of many innocent people during the upraise after Gothra incident. May be the culprit hoped to create this by Gothra burning. So Modi becoming PM is a mirage. He may not even bothered about it. He is a RSS worker and he will feel happy for his service to people. Only history will judge him properly.
N.S.M. Shahul Hameed
கடந்த இரண்டு வாரமாக துக்ளக்கில் 'டியர் மிஸ்டர் துக்ளக்' பகுதி இடம்பெறவில்லை பார்த்தீர்களா?. என் கருத்து கடிதமாக பிரசுரிக்கப்படாமல், அதில் இருந்து ஒரு பகுதியை கேள்வியாக எடுத்துக்கொண்டு ஆசிரியர் பதில் அளித்திருக்கிறார். இந்த பதிலில் ஆசிரியர் மோடியை ஆதரிப்பதன் காரணம் எனக்கு விளங்காததல்ல என் கருத்திலும் நான் இதனை பிரதிபலித்துள்ளேன். ஆனால் என்னுடைய கருத்தில், தீர்ப்பை இப்போதே, அது வரும் முன்னே, முடிந்த முடிவாக தீர்மாணிக்க முடியாது என்ற என் கருத்தைப் பற்றியோ அல்லது நான் இறைவனின் தீர்ப்பை நாடும் நடுனிலையான பிரார்த்தனையை முன் வைத்ததைப் பற்றியோ ஏதும் குறிப்பிடாமல் வசதியாக விட்டுவிட்டார். ஒருவேளை அதனை உள்ளத்தில் ஏற்று அவரும் அவ்வாறே பிரார்த்தித்துக் கொண்டிருக்கலாம். இறைவன் அருளால் விரைவில் உண்மை வெளிவரவேண்டும், அதில் மோடியின் பக்கம் நியாயமிருந்தால் அதுவும் தெளிவாக வெளிப்பட்டு அவரின் புகழ் மேலும் பரவவேண்டும் - அவர் எவ்வித தடையுமில்லாமல் நாளை நாட்டையே ஆளும் வரம்பெற வேண்டும்; அல்லது அவருக்கு குற்றத்தில் பங்கிருந்தால் அவர் மனம்திருந்த வேண்டும் மேலும் வேறு ஒரு நல்ல தலைவர் வருவதற்கு அவர் உதவ வேண்டும், இறைவனும் நாடவேண்டும் என்பதே மீண்டும் மீண்டும் எனது அவா (துவா).
மோடியை எதிர்ப்பவர்கள் எல்லோருமே மதவாதிகள் என்ற வாதம் சரியல்ல. பெரும்பான்மை அப்படி இருந்தாலும், வழக்கை தொடுத்துவிட்டு தீர்ப்புக்காக தொடர்ந்து போராடி வருபவர் குஜராத் சம்பவத்தில் தன் கனவனை இழந்தவர். அவருடைய நோக்கத்தையும் இப்படி கொச்சைப்படுத்திவிட முடியாது. வழக்கில் நிறைய பிறழ் சாட்சிகள் நடைபெற்றுள்ளன. 'உண்மையே உன் விலை என்ன?' என்று சோ அவர்களின் அற்புதமான படத்தில் வருவதுபோல காட்சிகள் மாறிக்கொண்டு வருகின்றன.
முழுமையான அறிவும், வழக்கின் முழு உண்மையை முற்றும் அறிந்த தன்மையும் இறைவனிடமே உள்ளது. சாட்சிகள் பொய்சொல்லலாம் அது இரு தரப்பிலும் இருக்கலாம். சம்பந்தப்பட்டவர்களின் மனசாட்சியும் மரத்துவிட்டால், இறைவனின் அரசாட்சி இறுதியில் நிலை நாட்டப்படும். அது இம்மையிலும் இருக்கலாம், மறுமையிலும் இருக்கலாம். மறுமையோ இன்பமும் அற்புதமானது அதுபோலவே கொடிய துன்பத்தையும் தரவல்லது. ஆகவே இம்மையிலேயே தீர்ப்பு வந்துவிடுவது எல்லோருக்குமே நல்லது.
06 10 2011 இதழ்
உபயம்: திருவாளர்கள்:
அருண், நாராயணன், எஸ்.கே.எம், வெங்கட், ஷாகுல் ஹமீது, சிங்கை சிவாஸ் (சோலையூரான்), பார்த்தா, வாஹே குரு, கிருஷ்ணன்,
(Page 1 of 7 as of 12 Oct 2011 530 PM SGT 300PM IST).
Singai Sivas
மதுரை 12 சிவலோக நாதன் வீட்டினர் இன்று பாவம், அவர் வீட்டில் எந்த (குட்டிச்) சுவற்றையாவது தேடித்தேடி 'இந்த ஆளிடம் போய் என் கேள்வியைக் கேட்டேனே, இதற்கு அவர் பதில் சொல்லாமலேயே இருந்திருக்கலாம்' என்று முட்டிக்கொள்
SKM, USA Ha ha ha!
ஆனால் அதே சிவலோகநாதன் இன்னொரு கேள்வியும் கேட்டிருக்கிறார். திராவிட இனத்தைப் பற்றிய கேள்வி. சோ-வின் பதில் அபாரம். திராவிட நாட்டுக்கு இப்படி ஒரு definition-ஐப் பார்த்ததில்லை.
Singai Sivas NSM, I guess you got the Editor's point, to your question. I am sure you are disappointed with his response!!
கூடவே, ' நாராயண, நாராயண !! இந்த வாரம் முதல் திரியைக் கொளுத்திப்போட்டுள்ளேன், எப்போது வெடிக்குமோ வெடிக்காதோ அல்லது புஸ்வாணமாகுமா, யாதொன்றும் அறியேன் பராபரமே!! நாரதர் கலகம் நன்மையாக முடியக் கடவது!!
[NH 45 Tanjore Main Road Junction after Tindivanam, இந்த வாரம் அங்கே நான் திக்குமுக்காடி நிற்க அவசியமில்லை, என்னுடைய பேருந்து சரியாக வந்து அடுத்த வாரத்திற்குள் நான் ஊர்போய்ச் சேருவேனா, தெரியாது!!]
N.S.M. Shahul Hameed கிடக்கிறது கிடக்கட்டும் கிழவனைத்தூக்கி மனையிலே வை என்று ஆரம்பிக்கப்பட்டுவிட்டது நமது தமிழ்ச் சங்கம்!. நாட்டைப்பற்றி மிகவும் கவலைப்பட்டு துக்ளக் பணியாற்றிக் கொண்டிருக்கையில் நாம் இந்த தெருக்கூத்து அடிப்பது, 'துன்பம் வரும் வேலையிலே சிரிங்க' என்று தத்துவத்தின் அடிப்படையில்தான் என்பதை தமிழ் அன்னையிடம் பனிவோடு அறிவித்து விடுவோம்.
'சங்கத் தமிழ் மூன்றும் தா' என்று சிங்கை சிவா வோ, SKM USA வோ, அல்லது எல்லா ஏற்பாட்டிற்கும் காரணமான நாராயணனோ, WGயோ, வெங்கட்டோ சீனுவோ அல்லது அடியேனோ வேண்டிகொண்டு மற்றவர்களையும் களத்தில் கைபிடித்து இறக்கிவிடுவதை தொடங்கவேண்டும். இந்த வாரம் எதைப்பற்றி என்று யாராவது சொல்லாவிட்டால், கம்பனையோ கற்பனையோ விற்பனை செய்வதைத்தவிர வேறு வழியில்லை. இல்லே இன்னும் கொஞ்சம் வட்டாரச் சொல்லிலே கொட்டமடித்துவிட்டு மேற்செல்லலாமா?
Arun Huh - what a co-incidence.
Cho has echoed my views ( in a better way ) in his answer to Mr. NSM, for the question regarding Modi. Very crisp and to the point - I hope it puts in perspective, the blind-hatred and "whatever-he-does-it-has-to-be-wrong-because-he-caused-the-riots" attitude that people have towards Modi.
The same similarities hold true for the third page article on the status of Muslims in Gujarat compared to other states - very similar thoughts that I posted here last week - with more details though.
Is Cho a mind-reader or does he really review our blog !!
Singai Sivas NSM's response is awaited, today being last working day for him for the week, he might take out his sword on Thursday.......being weekend!!
SKM, USA Dear Sri. Arun & Sri. WG,
Yes, I too feel the same way as WG on whether Cho reads our blogs or not. That article arguing for nuclear power plant really sent a chill through my spine. Because it looked like such a great response to what I had written. I only mentioned the Three Mile Island case as an example and refrained from referring to Chernobyl because I thought that would make my blog look too long. But wow! That author has written about Chernobyl and related cases that I am aware of. I still don't agree with the author. In addition to a malnourished country we don't need the possibility of a radiated country. But I do think Cho reads our blogs and am really taken aback by his interest and thoroughness in getting to know his readers. Kudos!
வாஹே குரு சு சுவாமியின் அடுத்த bomb ராபர்ட் வதோரா (பிரியங்காவின் கணவர்) wait & see---WG
SKM, USA Sri. WG,
I believe you! And also think it is high time he did it!
வாஹே குரு ///மூன்று நாள் உண்ணாவிரதம் இருப்பதால், நாடு தன்னை பிரதமராக ஏற்றுக் கொண்டுவிடப் போகிறது என்று நரேந்திர மோடி நினைத்திருக்க மாட்டார். அந்த அளவுக்கு அவர் ஏமாளி அல்ல./// நாடு அல்ல திரு சோ அவர்களே, பி ஜே பி.---WG
Partha Shahul:
Modi administration is clean and efficient.He is being not corrupt among India leaders makes him shine well. But his rule is black marked with 2002 riots. The cases are still in court and how long it will take to decide we do not know. Even Modi is proved innocent by courts, he failed to prevent the deaths of many innocent people during the upraise after Gothra incident. May be the culprit hoped to create this by Gothra burning. So Modi becoming PM is a mirage. He may not even bothered about it. He is a RSS worker and he will feel happy for his service to people. Only history will judge him properly.
N.S.M. Shahul Hameed கடந்த இரண்டு வாரமாக துக்ளக்கில் 'டியர் மிஸ்டர் துக்ளக்' பகுதி இடம்பெறவில்லை பார்த்தீர்களா?. என் கருத்து கடிதமாக பிரசுரிக்கப்படாமல், அதில் இருந்து ஒரு பகுதியை கேள்வியாக எடுத்துக்கொண்டு ஆசிரியர் பதில் அளித்திருக்கிறார். இந்த பதிலில் ஆசிரியர் மோடியை ஆதரிப்பதன் காரணம் எனக்கு விளங்காததல்ல என் கருத்திலும் நான் இதனை பிரதிபலித்துள்ளேன். ஆனால் என்னுடைய கருத்தில், தீர்ப்பை இப்போதே, அது வரும் முன்னே, முடிந்த முடிவாக தீர்மாணிக்க முடியாது என்ற என் கருத்தைப் பற்றியோ அல்லது நான் இறைவனின் தீர்ப்பை நாடும் நடுனிலையான பிரார்த்தனையை முன் வைத்ததைப் பற்றியோ ஏதும் குறிப்பிடாமல் வசதியாக விட்டுவிட்டார். ஒருவேளை அதனை உள்ளத்தில் ஏற்று அவரும் அவ்வாறே பிரார்த்தித்துக் கொண்டிருக்கலாம். இறைவன் அருளால் விரைவில் உண்மை வெளிவரவேண்டும், அதில் மோடியின் பக்கம் நியாயமிருந்தால் அதுவும் தெளிவாக வெளிப்பட்டு அவரின் புகழ் மேலும் பரவவேண்டும் - அவர் எவ்வித தடையுமில்லாமல் நாளை நாட்டையே ஆளும் வரம்பெற வேண்டும்; அல்லது அவருக்கு குற்றத்தில் பங்கிருந்தால் அவர் மனம்திருந்த வேண்டும் மேலும் வேறு ஒரு நல்ல தலைவர் வருவதற்கு அவர் உதவ வேண்டும், இறைவனும் நாடவேண்டும் என்பதே மீண்டும் மீண்டும் எனது அவா (துவா).
மோடியை எதிர்ப்பவர்கள் எல்லோருமே மதவாதிகள் என்ற வாதம் சரியல்ல. பெரும்பான்மை அப்படி இருந்தாலும், வழக்கை தொடுத்துவிட்டு தீர்ப்புக்காக தொடர்ந்து போராடி வருபவர் குஜராத் சம்பவத்தில் தன் கனவனை இழந்தவர். அவருடைய நோக்கத்தையும் இப்படி கொச்சைப்படுத்திவிட முடியாது. வழக்கில் நிறைய பிறழ் சாட்சிகள் நடைபெற்றுள்ளன. 'உண்மையே உன் விலை என்ன?' என்று சோ அவர்களின் அற்புதமான படத்தில் வருவதுபோல காட்சிகள் மாறிக்கொண்டு வருகின்றன.
முழுமையான அறிவும், வழக்கின் முழு உண்மையை முற்றும் அறிந்த தன்மையும் இறைவனிடமே உள்ளது. சாட்சிகள் பொய்சொல்லலாம் அது இரு தரப்பிலும் இருக்கலாம். சம்பந்தப்பட்டவர்களின் மனசாட்சியும் மரத்துவிட்டால், இறைவனின் அரசாட்சி இறுதியில் நிலை நாட்டப்படும். அது இம்மையிலும் இருக்கலாம், மறுமையிலும் இருக்கலாம். மறுமையோ இன்பமும் அற்புதமானது அதுபோலவே கொடிய துன்பத்தையும் தரவல்லது. ஆகவே இம்மையிலேயே தீர்ப்பு வந்துவிடுவது எல்லோருக்குமே நல்லது.
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வெங்கட்
சாகுல் சோ தெளிவாகத்தான் உள்ளார். குற்றச்சாட்டின் மீது இன்று வரை தெரியப்பட்டுள்ள நிலவரம் என்ன என்பதைத்தான் அவர் கூறி உள்ளார். இனி மேல் வேறு விவரங்கள் வந்தால் அதற்குத்தக அவர் தன்னுடைய நிலையை மாற்றிக்கொள்வார். ஒன்றைக் கவனித்தீர்களா? சோனியாவைப்பற்றி இதுகாறும் உறுதியாக எதுவும் சொல்லாத அவர் இந்த இதழில் தான் ஒரு நிலைப்பாட்டினை நோக்கி நகர்ந்து கொண்டு இருக்கிறேன் என்பதை வெளிப்படுத்தும் விதமாக பல இடங்களில் சத்தியாவின் கற்பனை உள்ளிட்டு சோனியாவைப்பற்றி கூறத்துவங்கி உள்ளார்.
உங்கள் எழுத்தினைப் படிக்கும்போது எனக்குத்தோன்றுவது இதுதான்: மோடி குற்றவாளியாக இருந்தால் தேவலாம் என்பதே உங்கள் நிலைப்பாடு அல்லவா? இதில் எதற்கு இறைவனை இழுக்கிறீர்கள்?
N.S.M. Shahul Hameed
Dear Venkat,
I disagree with you. If that was the case, I would have never put and do a well balanced prayer. Even in my prayer, my first assumption is to give the credit to Modi. This is the way I do on all unknown matters for purified decision making (though it will not sound as very effective for impatient minds or for people who wants to do it today and by their own mind and reasoning with the opinion that 100% of information is at their hand).
What you may assume about my opinion is that I am not convinced that the verdic has come out now. Second point which I did not write is that you may well aware that I am very open to choose another candidate (could be Shri Advaniji or NitishKumar) instead of Modi and this is my choice for varous other factors from the current political scenario. If I am alone to vote, then I will vote for Advaniji without any hesitation. But if you ask my analytical response considering who has the chance to pull most votes, then I will list NitishKumar, Avani and Modi, on the condition that BJP as party should nominate them. One of the major reason for this point is that even a certain majority of muslims (who are ready to select an alternative to congress but still hate Modi or even Advani) can be convinced to support NitishKumar. But I know that BJP as party and NitishKumar is not within BJP is a very difficult issue to resolve. It is also possible that BJP could easily win the election even without the majority of muslims support as the congress is moving ahead to nearly a zero vote bank.
There are even better candidates within BJP but they are not coming out and there are a few in congress but unfortunately they are in congress. As a remotely placed person, this is my opinion and I never claim that this is the best but my preference until today. It might change as everything goes on today's world.
வெங்கட்
Dear Shahul,
Cho has not declared that Modi is innocent. Neither I. But mind you, unless other wise proved contrary he is innocent. So far, even though substantial trials and inquiries have taken place, an FIR is not filed against him. The lady you have mentioned has approached the supreme court with all the evidences at her command and supreme court after allowing the due process of law at its level has referred her petition to the lower court. Under the circumstance we have nothing against Modi. There fore it is better we forget him for the time being. OK?
For the second paragraph in your posting my remark is: country has been suffering from hard luck ever since it won its freedom. Gandhiji has done the biggest mistake when he switched over to Nehru from CR and Kamaraj completed the process. Later Advani would have been a better prime minister instead of Vajpai. That did not happen. In 2014 if the country selects any one other than Modi that will be yet another unlucky thing to happen.
Cheenu
வெங்கட் சார் ,
மிகசரியான கருத்து!! நித்திஸ்குமார் அவர்கள் சிறந்த நிற்வாகத்தால் பீகார் மாநிலத்தை லல்லு செய்த அழிவிலிருந்து மீட்டுகொண்டு வந்துள்ளார். ஆனாலும், தன் சிறந்த நிர்வாகத்தினால் வெற்றி பெருவோம் என்ற நம்பிக்கையும் உறுதியும் இல்லாமலும், மோடி அவர்கள் தன்னனவிட சிறந்த நிற்வாகி, குற்றமமற்றவர் என்று தெரிந்திருந்தும், தன் கட்சிக்கும் பி.ஜே.பி க்கும் ஆதறவாக பிரச்சாரம் செய்தால் தான் முஸ்லிம்களின் ஓட்டை இலந்துவிடுவோம் என்று என்னி அவரை பீகாருக்குல் பிரச்சாரத்துக்கு வறக்குடாது என்று கூறியவர். இது முற்றிலும் துணிவற்ற தன்மானமற்ற செய்யல், இப்படி பட்டவர் நாட்டின் பிரதமறாக வர முற்றிலும் தகுதி அற்றவர். இவர் பிரதமர் ஆனால் டெல்லிக்கு மோடி வரக்குடாது என்றும் சொல்வார்.
Arun
Spot on Cheenu - Nitish Kumar is a good administrator, who wants to bring Bihar out of Laloo's mis-management, but he too is a weakling, when it comes to minority appeasement and vote-bank politics. Such a person will not be a good PM, because his intentions are impure ( I again harp on intentions, we should not be carried away by mere words and "naam-ke-vaaste" actions) - he will only waste another 5 years trying to woo votes for the next elections. Advani is a great candidate, but the window has passed - he is now 84 years old, and time is not in his side. Congress is useless, they will even support the dog that wags its tail for Sonia Gandhi - no point expecting anything good from them. The Communists - the lesser said about them , the better off we are.
The need of the hour, for our country to forge ahead, is a person with courage and conviction; a person who gives a damn about being politically right ; a person who will crush terrorism with an iron hand, without worrying about religious sensitivities; a person who has no extra luggage to promote ( like son/daughter/nephew aspiring for high posts ) ; a person who hates corruption, takes bold actions to eradicate corruption and kicks the administrative machinary in the behind if they don't fall in line; a person who thinks that the first claim to the country's resources is for the poor, regardless of religion, and actually does something about it ; a person who loves the country more than anything/anybody else and will answer to its subjects only, not to some extra-consititutional authority.
And that person is Modi, period.
Arun
Venkat saar
You left out Sardar Vallabhai Patel - he would have been a much better PM than Nehru, because SV Patel had immense respect towards our history, culture and values - something that Nehru hated to the core.
Nehru biggest disservice was not that he messed up a great opportunity bestowed upon him ( which is pardonable, I don't blame him entirely for some screw-ups ). The real problem is the fact that his generation has created so much havoc to this country and it psyche. The damage done will take decades to repair - looks like Modi has to take a few more avatars to stem this rot and lead the country along the path of security, probity and development.
SKM, USA
Dear Sri. Arun,
//You left out Sardar Vallabhai Patel - he would have been a much better PM than Nehru, because SV Patel had immense respect towards our history, culture and values - something that Nehru hated to the core. //
I totally agree with the above lines in your post.
However, for the second half I have a different opinion. Nehru SINGLE-HANDEDLY messed up many things - including the promotion of a feudalistic culture, the promotion of specific (North Indian?) entrepreneurs (ever wondered why we had only one TATA, one Bajaj, one Reliance for a loooong time?), and a total lack of respect for Indian values and culture.
He had no qualms begging Gandhi for help to protect Indira's indiscretion with Feroze Khan. And subsequently letting his heirs adopt the Gandhi name.
We blame today's media, youth and perhaps even women, for the erosion of "Indian culture". But it was Nehru that began earnestly the culture of mindlessly aping the West. Gandhi's India was it is "700 villages". But Nehru's India was a "modern" one that had the effect of destroying the local culture in promoting foreign culture. I am not against industrialization but am against the fact that it was not done in a way suitable for OUR culture and polity.
He has enjoyed too much undeserved praise, particularly for his flair with the English language. In this famous book called, "The tryst with destiny" he begins....."Long years ago...." which is actually a grammatical error, particularly by the standards of those times.
The Nehru dynasty has been extremely successful, consistently, through the successive generations in doing one thing: Seducing the whole of India with their attractive skin color and adopting the "high and mighty" British attitude of looking down upon anything that is truly Indian!
What a bunch of ignorant, idiotic, buffoons that are disgustingly corrupt, absolutely soulless! I can't wait to see Rahul Gandhi fizzle out the power of the Nehru dynasty. Enough is enough!
Arun
Kashmir takes the prize for "The Biggest screw-up of the Century"
வாஹே குரு
மோடி யை எதிர்ப்பவர்கள் 4 வகை:
1. மோடி குற்றவாளிதான் என்று தீர்ப்பு எழுதியே விட்ட (அ)நீதிபதிகள்.
2. மோடி குற்றவாளியாக இருக்கவேண்டும் என்று கடவுளை வேண்டுபவர்கள்.
3. மோடி குற்றவாளி இல்லை என்று ஆகிவிட்டால் என்ன செய்வது என பயப்படும் பயங்கர,தீவிரவாதிகள்.
4. மோடி குற்றவாளி இல்லை என்று தெரிந்திருந்தும், மென்று முழுங்கிக் கொண்டிருப்பவர்கள்.
நாலு பேருக்கு ஆப்பு... அந்த நாலுபேருக்கும் ஆப்பு ---WG
Arun
Cho ( as with most people, who look at the merits and demerits of the case ) is very clear and transparent, in the way he has approached this issue. All the points he has raised are based on known facts and legal procedures, not on his whims or fantasies.
It is true that minorities, pseudo-seculars ( aka - minority vote beggars like the Congress/DMK/Laloo/Mulayam/Commies etc etc), anti-Hindu hate mongers, "social activists" and "intellectuals" want Modi hanged ASAP, whether he had a hand in the riots or not. They don't have time to wait for the cases to reach its logical end; just hang him, let's worry about proof later on. Most of them show it out shamelessly, the rest use sugar- coated words to hide their hatred - that's the only difference.
What happened in Gujarat during 2002 ( by the way, it includes the train burning also, in case people forgot about that little incident ) was horrible. Ms. Zakia Jafri's loss is irreplacable ( and so are the others' who lost their loved ones in the planned train-murder ) - but the justice system has listened to each and every one of her requests, including the appointment of an SIT, chaired by a former CBI director. - I don't know what else is needed. Aaah wait a minute - I know what they want - "Hang Modi. Hang Modi right now"
SKM, USA
Dear Sri. Venkat,
இதைத் தான் போன வாரமே "ஏன் emotional-ஆகுறீர்கள்" என்ற தொனிக்கும் வகையில் கேட்டிருந்தேன்.
மோடி விஷயத்தில், புலமை மிக்க, கருத்துக் கோர்வை கொண்ட, ஆழ்ந்து சிந்திக்கக் கூடிய, பொது நலம் விரும்புகின்ற திரு. ஷாகுல் எளிதில் தன் கருத்தை மாற்றிக் கொள்வதாகத் தெரியவில்லை.
இந்த ஒரு விஷயத்தில் தங்களைப் போல் எனக்கும் ஸ்ரீ. ஷாகுல் அவர்களுடன் கருத்து வேறுபாடு உள்ளது.
ஸ்ரீ. ஷாகுல், இங்கே நட்புணர்வோடும், ஒருவருக்கொருவர் மரியாதையோடும் கருத்து பகிர்ந்து கொண்டிருக்கிறோம். அந்த உணர்வோடு சொல்கிறேன்: என் சொற்களின் இலக்கு தங்கள் கருத்து மட்டுமே. தங்கள் மனமல்ல.
casbbalchandhar,bangalore
THOUGH I AM NOT well articulated person like my friends here, I am quite sure MODI is a straight forward, true to the core person and down to earth CM who is a blessed person not only for Gujarat but to entire India. Mind you this same person was denied VISA to USA and the same USA has praised him and his good governance. He thundered at Chennai Thuglak meeting (if I remember correct) that he will bring USA to Gujarat. Had he not done that? Even our CM JJ also wants to follow his foot steps in TN I suppose. However this Casear must be above suspicion, that he has proved.
N.S.M. Shahul Hameed
News from Dinamani:
ஆமதாபாத், அக்.6: லோக் ஆயுக்த தலைவரை தேர்ந்தெடுக்கும் குழுவிலிருந்து குஜராத் உயர்நீதிமன்ற தலைமை நீதிபதியை நீக்க வழிவகை செய்யும் மசோதா தொடர்பாக ஆளுநருக்கும், முதல்வர் மோடிக்கும் இடையிலான கடிதங்களை மூடி சீலிடப்பட்ட கவரில் தாக்கல் செய்ய உயர்நீதிமன்றம் உத்தரவிட்டுள்ளது.
லோக் ஆயுக்தவுக்கு நீதிபதியை நியமிக்க கோரி கடந்த ஆகஸ்ட் மாதம் குஜராத் உயர்நீதிமன்றத்தில் பொது நலன் மனு தாக்கல் செய்யப்பட்டது. இதை பிகாபாய் ஜேத்வா என்பவர் தாக்கல் செய்தார். வழக்கு விசாரணை வியாழக்கிழமை நீதிபதிகள் அகில் குரோஷி, சோனியா கோகானி ஆகியோர் அடங்கிய டிவிஷன் பெஞ்ச் முன் வந்தது. அப்போது வாதாடிய மூத்த வழக்குரைஞர் கிரிஷ் படேல், இந்த விவகாரத்தில் சில முக்கிய ஆவணங்களை மாநில அரசு வேண்டுமென்றே தாக்கல் செய்யவில்லை எனத் தெரிவித்தார்.
மாநில அரசின் பரிந்துரைகளை ஆளுநர் அமல்படுத்த கடமைப்பட்டவர் என்று மனுதாரர் வழக்குரைஞர் வாதிட்டார். கடந்த 7 ஆண்டுகளாக மாநில அரசு லோக் ஆயுக்தாவுக்கு நீதிபதிலை நியமிக்கவில்லை என்று குறிப்பிட்ட அவர் ஆர்.ஏ.மேத்தாவை ஆளுநர் நியமித்தது சரியே எனக் கூறினார். ஆளுநரின் அதிகாரத்தை நிறுத்தி வைக்கும் அதிகாரம் மாநில அரசுக்கு இல்லை என்றும் அவர் தெரிவித்தார். தமக்கு வேண்டிய ஒருவரை அப்பதவியில் நியமிக்கும் எண்ணத்துடன் முதல்வர் மோடி காலதாமதம் செய்யும் வகையில் செயல்பட்டு வந்தார் என்றும் அவர் கூறினார்.
லோக் ஆயுக்த நீதிபதியை தேர்ந்தெடுக்கும் குழுவிலிருந்து குஜராத் தலைமை நீதிபதியை நீக்கும் சட்ட திருத்த மசோதா தொடர்பாக கடந்த ஆகஸ்ட் 18ம் தேதி மாநில ஆளுநருக்கு மாநில அரசு கடிதம் எழுதியது. இந்த சட்ட திருத்த மசோதா, லோக் ஆயுக்தவுக்கு எதிரானது என்றும் தலைமை நீதிபதியின் அதிகாரத்தை குறைத்து மதிப்பிடும் செய்யும் செயலாகும் என்று மாநில ஆளுநர் ஆகஸ்ட் 20 ம் தேதி பதில் எழுதியுள்ளதாக மனுதாரரின் வழக்குரைஞர் நீதிமன்றத்தில் படேல் தெரிவித்தார்.
Gujarath CM's supporters might start giving allegations against Gurath High Court Chief Justice even. After 2015, the new PM will attempt to remove the Chief Justice of India from the LOKPal and this can also be digested. These are certain glimpses of information that I too have and the reason why I do not want to change from Advani to Modi; or from Nitish to Modi.
In fact, Nitish had the guts and self-respect when he rejected Modi's 5 crores that came with boosting advertisement for Modi, even at the time of his facing the election in Bihar. People see things differently and I respect your views but keep mine for me.
SKM, USA
Dear Sri. NSMS,
மோடி பக்கம் இருக்கும் ஆதாரங்களை அப்பட்டமாக நம்பாத தாங்கள் மோடிக்கு எதிராக வாதிடும் வக்கீல் படேலின் வாதங்களை அப்பட்டமாக நம்புவதேன்?
வக்கீல் படேல் இங்கே சம்பளத்துக்கு வேலை செய்பவர். மோடி மீது தனிப்பட்ட விருப்பு வெறுப்புகளை மீறி அவருக்கு எதிராக வாதிட முன் வந்துள்ளவர். இவ்வளவு வலுவான vested interest இருக்கும் ஆசாமியை நீங்கள் நம்புவதற்குக் காரணம்?
சாகுல் சோ தெளிவாகத்தான் உள்ளார். குற்றச்சாட்டின் மீது இன்று வரை தெரியப்பட்டுள்ள நிலவரம் என்ன என்பதைத்தான் அவர் கூறி உள்ளார். இனி மேல் வேறு விவரங்கள் வந்தால் அதற்குத்தக அவர் தன்னுடைய நிலையை மாற்றிக்கொள்வார். ஒன்றைக் கவனித்தீர்களா? சோனியாவைப்பற்றி இதுகாறும் உறுதியாக எதுவும் சொல்லாத அவர் இந்த இதழில் தான் ஒரு நிலைப்பாட்டினை நோக்கி நகர்ந்து கொண்டு இருக்கிறேன் என்பதை வெளிப்படுத்தும் விதமாக பல இடங்களில் சத்தியாவின் கற்பனை உள்ளிட்டு சோனியாவைப்பற்றி கூறத்துவங்கி உள்ளார்.
உங்கள் எழுத்தினைப் படிக்கும்போது எனக்குத்தோன்றுவது இதுதான்: மோடி குற்றவாளியாக இருந்தால் தேவலாம் என்பதே உங்கள் நிலைப்பாடு அல்லவா? இதில் எதற்கு இறைவனை இழுக்கிறீர்கள்?
N.S.M. Shahul Hameed Dear Venkat,
I disagree with you. If that was the case, I would have never put and do a well balanced prayer. Even in my prayer, my first assumption is to give the credit to Modi. This is the way I do on all unknown matters for purified decision making (though it will not sound as very effective for impatient minds or for people who wants to do it today and by their own mind and reasoning with the opinion that 100% of information is at their hand).
What you may assume about my opinion is that I am not convinced that the verdic has come out now. Second point which I did not write is that you may well aware that I am very open to choose another candidate (could be Shri Advaniji or NitishKumar) instead of Modi and this is my choice for varous other factors from the current political scenario. If I am alone to vote, then I will vote for Advaniji without any hesitation. But if you ask my analytical response considering who has the chance to pull most votes, then I will list NitishKumar, Avani and Modi, on the condition that BJP as party should nominate them. One of the major reason for this point is that even a certain majority of muslims (who are ready to select an alternative to congress but still hate Modi or even Advani) can be convinced to support NitishKumar. But I know that BJP as party and NitishKumar is not within BJP is a very difficult issue to resolve. It is also possible that BJP could easily win the election even without the majority of muslims support as the congress is moving ahead to nearly a zero vote bank.
There are even better candidates within BJP but they are not coming out and there are a few in congress but unfortunately they are in congress. As a remotely placed person, this is my opinion and I never claim that this is the best but my preference until today. It might change as everything goes on today's world.
வெங்கட் Dear Shahul,
Cho has not declared that Modi is innocent. Neither I. But mind you, unless other wise proved contrary he is innocent. So far, even though substantial trials and inquiries have taken place, an FIR is not filed against him. The lady you have mentioned has approached the supreme court with all the evidences at her command and supreme court after allowing the due process of law at its level has referred her petition to the lower court. Under the circumstance we have nothing against Modi. There fore it is better we forget him for the time being. OK?
For the second paragraph in your posting my remark is: country has been suffering from hard luck ever since it won its freedom. Gandhiji has done the biggest mistake when he switched over to Nehru from CR and Kamaraj completed the process. Later Advani would have been a better prime minister instead of Vajpai. That did not happen. In 2014 if the country selects any one other than Modi that will be yet another unlucky thing to happen.
Cheenu வெங்கட் சார் ,
மிகசரியான கருத்து!! நித்திஸ்குமார் அவர்கள் சிறந்த நிற்வாகத்தால் பீகார் மாநிலத்தை லல்லு செய்த அழிவிலிருந்து மீட்டுகொண்டு வந்துள்ளார். ஆனாலும், தன் சிறந்த நிர்வாகத்தினால் வெற்றி பெருவோம் என்ற நம்பிக்கையும் உறுதியும் இல்லாமலும், மோடி அவர்கள் தன்னனவிட சிறந்த நிற்வாகி, குற்றமமற்றவர் என்று தெரிந்திருந்தும், தன் கட்சிக்கும் பி.ஜே.பி க்கும் ஆதறவாக பிரச்சாரம் செய்தால் தான் முஸ்லிம்களின் ஓட்டை இலந்துவிடுவோம் என்று என்னி அவரை பீகாருக்குல் பிரச்சாரத்துக்கு வறக்குடாது என்று கூறியவர். இது முற்றிலும் துணிவற்ற தன்மானமற்ற செய்யல், இப்படி பட்டவர் நாட்டின் பிரதமறாக வர முற்றிலும் தகுதி அற்றவர். இவர் பிரதமர் ஆனால் டெல்லிக்கு மோடி வரக்குடாது என்றும் சொல்வார்.
Arun Spot on Cheenu - Nitish Kumar is a good administrator, who wants to bring Bihar out of Laloo's mis-management, but he too is a weakling, when it comes to minority appeasement and vote-bank politics. Such a person will not be a good PM, because his intentions are impure ( I again harp on intentions, we should not be carried away by mere words and "naam-ke-vaaste" actions) - he will only waste another 5 years trying to woo votes for the next elections. Advani is a great candidate, but the window has passed - he is now 84 years old, and time is not in his side. Congress is useless, they will even support the dog that wags its tail for Sonia Gandhi - no point expecting anything good from them. The Communists - the lesser said about them , the better off we are.
The need of the hour, for our country to forge ahead, is a person with courage and conviction; a person who gives a damn about being politically right ; a person who will crush terrorism with an iron hand, without worrying about religious sensitivities; a person who has no extra luggage to promote ( like son/daughter/nephew aspiring for high posts ) ; a person who hates corruption, takes bold actions to eradicate corruption and kicks the administrative machinary in the behind if they don't fall in line; a person who thinks that the first claim to the country's resources is for the poor, regardless of religion, and actually does something about it ; a person who loves the country more than anything/anybody else and will answer to its subjects only, not to some extra-consititutional authority.
And that person is Modi, period.
Arun Venkat saar
You left out Sardar Vallabhai Patel - he would have been a much better PM than Nehru, because SV Patel had immense respect towards our history, culture and values - something that Nehru hated to the core.
Nehru biggest disservice was not that he messed up a great opportunity bestowed upon him ( which is pardonable, I don't blame him entirely for some screw-ups ). The real problem is the fact that his generation has created so much havoc to this country and it psyche. The damage done will take decades to repair - looks like Modi has to take a few more avatars to stem this rot and lead the country along the path of security, probity and development.
SKM, USA Dear Sri. Arun,
//You left out Sardar Vallabhai Patel - he would have been a much better PM than Nehru, because SV Patel had immense respect towards our history, culture and values - something that Nehru hated to the core. //
I totally agree with the above lines in your post.
However, for the second half I have a different opinion. Nehru SINGLE-HANDEDLY messed up many things - including the promotion of a feudalistic culture, the promotion of specific (North Indian?) entrepreneurs (ever wondered why we had only one TATA, one Bajaj, one Reliance for a loooong time?), and a total lack of respect for Indian values and culture.
He had no qualms begging Gandhi for help to protect Indira's indiscretion with Feroze Khan. And subsequently letting his heirs adopt the Gandhi name.
We blame today's media, youth and perhaps even women, for the erosion of "Indian culture". But it was Nehru that began earnestly the culture of mindlessly aping the West. Gandhi's India was it is "700 villages". But Nehru's India was a "modern" one that had the effect of destroying the local culture in promoting foreign culture. I am not against industrialization but am against the fact that it was not done in a way suitable for OUR culture and polity.
He has enjoyed too much undeserved praise, particularly for his flair with the English language. In this famous book called, "The tryst with destiny" he begins....."Long years ago...." which is actually a grammatical error, particularly by the standards of those times.
The Nehru dynasty has been extremely successful, consistently, through the successive generations in doing one thing: Seducing the whole of India with their attractive skin color and adopting the "high and mighty" British attitude of looking down upon anything that is truly Indian!
What a bunch of ignorant, idiotic, buffoons that are disgustingly corrupt, absolutely soulless! I can't wait to see Rahul Gandhi fizzle out the power of the Nehru dynasty. Enough is enough!
Arun Kashmir takes the prize for "The Biggest screw-up of the Century"
வாஹே குரு மோடி யை எதிர்ப்பவர்கள் 4 வகை:
1. மோடி குற்றவாளிதான் என்று தீர்ப்பு எழுதியே விட்ட (அ)நீதிபதிகள்.
2. மோடி குற்றவாளியாக இருக்கவேண்டும் என்று கடவுளை வேண்டுபவர்கள்.
3. மோடி குற்றவாளி இல்லை என்று ஆகிவிட்டால் என்ன செய்வது என பயப்படும் பயங்கர,தீவிரவாதிகள்.
4. மோடி குற்றவாளி இல்லை என்று தெரிந்திருந்தும், மென்று முழுங்கிக் கொண்டிருப்பவர்கள்.
நாலு பேருக்கு ஆப்பு... அந்த நாலுபேருக்கும் ஆப்பு ---WG
Arun Cho ( as with most people, who look at the merits and demerits of the case ) is very clear and transparent, in the way he has approached this issue. All the points he has raised are based on known facts and legal procedures, not on his whims or fantasies.
It is true that minorities, pseudo-seculars ( aka - minority vote beggars like the Congress/DMK/Laloo/Mulayam/Commies etc etc), anti-Hindu hate mongers, "social activists" and "intellectuals" want Modi hanged ASAP, whether he had a hand in the riots or not. They don't have time to wait for the cases to reach its logical end; just hang him, let's worry about proof later on. Most of them show it out shamelessly, the rest use sugar- coated words to hide their hatred - that's the only difference.
What happened in Gujarat during 2002 ( by the way, it includes the train burning also, in case people forgot about that little incident ) was horrible. Ms. Zakia Jafri's loss is irreplacable ( and so are the others' who lost their loved ones in the planned train-murder ) - but the justice system has listened to each and every one of her requests, including the appointment of an SIT, chaired by a former CBI director. - I don't know what else is needed. Aaah wait a minute - I know what they want - "Hang Modi. Hang Modi right now"
SKM, USA Dear Sri. Venkat,
இதைத் தான் போன வாரமே "ஏன் emotional-ஆகுறீர்கள்" என்ற தொனிக்கும் வகையில் கேட்டிருந்தேன்.
மோடி விஷயத்தில், புலமை மிக்க, கருத்துக் கோர்வை கொண்ட, ஆழ்ந்து சிந்திக்கக் கூடிய, பொது நலம் விரும்புகின்ற திரு. ஷாகுல் எளிதில் தன் கருத்தை மாற்றிக் கொள்வதாகத் தெரியவில்லை.
இந்த ஒரு விஷயத்தில் தங்களைப் போல் எனக்கும் ஸ்ரீ. ஷாகுல் அவர்களுடன் கருத்து வேறுபாடு உள்ளது.
ஸ்ரீ. ஷாகுல், இங்கே நட்புணர்வோடும், ஒருவருக்கொருவர் மரியாதையோடும் கருத்து பகிர்ந்து கொண்டிருக்கிறோம். அந்த உணர்வோடு சொல்கிறேன்: என் சொற்களின் இலக்கு தங்கள் கருத்து மட்டுமே. தங்கள் மனமல்ல.
casbbalchandhar,bangalore THOUGH I AM NOT well articulated person like my friends here, I am quite sure MODI is a straight forward, true to the core person and down to earth CM who is a blessed person not only for Gujarat but to entire India. Mind you this same person was denied VISA to USA and the same USA has praised him and his good governance. He thundered at Chennai Thuglak meeting (if I remember correct) that he will bring USA to Gujarat. Had he not done that? Even our CM JJ also wants to follow his foot steps in TN I suppose. However this Casear must be above suspicion, that he has proved.
N.S.M. Shahul Hameed News from Dinamani:
ஆமதாபாத், அக்.6: லோக் ஆயுக்த தலைவரை தேர்ந்தெடுக்கும் குழுவிலிருந்து குஜராத் உயர்நீதிமன்ற தலைமை நீதிபதியை நீக்க வழிவகை செய்யும் மசோதா தொடர்பாக ஆளுநருக்கும், முதல்வர் மோடிக்கும் இடையிலான கடிதங்களை மூடி சீலிடப்பட்ட கவரில் தாக்கல் செய்ய உயர்நீதிமன்றம் உத்தரவிட்டுள்ளது.
லோக் ஆயுக்தவுக்கு நீதிபதியை நியமிக்க கோரி கடந்த ஆகஸ்ட் மாதம் குஜராத் உயர்நீதிமன்றத்தில் பொது நலன் மனு தாக்கல் செய்யப்பட்டது. இதை பிகாபாய் ஜேத்வா என்பவர் தாக்கல் செய்தார். வழக்கு விசாரணை வியாழக்கிழமை நீதிபதிகள் அகில் குரோஷி, சோனியா கோகானி ஆகியோர் அடங்கிய டிவிஷன் பெஞ்ச் முன் வந்தது. அப்போது வாதாடிய மூத்த வழக்குரைஞர் கிரிஷ் படேல், இந்த விவகாரத்தில் சில முக்கிய ஆவணங்களை மாநில அரசு வேண்டுமென்றே தாக்கல் செய்யவில்லை எனத் தெரிவித்தார்.
மாநில அரசின் பரிந்துரைகளை ஆளுநர் அமல்படுத்த கடமைப்பட்டவர் என்று மனுதாரர் வழக்குரைஞர் வாதிட்டார். கடந்த 7 ஆண்டுகளாக மாநில அரசு லோக் ஆயுக்தாவுக்கு நீதிபதிலை நியமிக்கவில்லை என்று குறிப்பிட்ட அவர் ஆர்.ஏ.மேத்தாவை ஆளுநர் நியமித்தது சரியே எனக் கூறினார். ஆளுநரின் அதிகாரத்தை நிறுத்தி வைக்கும் அதிகாரம் மாநில அரசுக்கு இல்லை என்றும் அவர் தெரிவித்தார். தமக்கு வேண்டிய ஒருவரை அப்பதவியில் நியமிக்கும் எண்ணத்துடன் முதல்வர் மோடி காலதாமதம் செய்யும் வகையில் செயல்பட்டு வந்தார் என்றும் அவர் கூறினார்.
லோக் ஆயுக்த நீதிபதியை தேர்ந்தெடுக்கும் குழுவிலிருந்து குஜராத் தலைமை நீதிபதியை நீக்கும் சட்ட திருத்த மசோதா தொடர்பாக கடந்த ஆகஸ்ட் 18ம் தேதி மாநில ஆளுநருக்கு மாநில அரசு கடிதம் எழுதியது. இந்த சட்ட திருத்த மசோதா, லோக் ஆயுக்தவுக்கு எதிரானது என்றும் தலைமை நீதிபதியின் அதிகாரத்தை குறைத்து மதிப்பிடும் செய்யும் செயலாகும் என்று மாநில ஆளுநர் ஆகஸ்ட் 20 ம் தேதி பதில் எழுதியுள்ளதாக மனுதாரரின் வழக்குரைஞர் நீதிமன்றத்தில் படேல் தெரிவித்தார்.
Gujarath CM's supporters might start giving allegations against Gurath High Court Chief Justice even. After 2015, the new PM will attempt to remove the Chief Justice of India from the LOKPal and this can also be digested. These are certain glimpses of information that I too have and the reason why I do not want to change from Advani to Modi; or from Nitish to Modi.
In fact, Nitish had the guts and self-respect when he rejected Modi's 5 crores that came with boosting advertisement for Modi, even at the time of his facing the election in Bihar. People see things differently and I respect your views but keep mine for me.
SKM, USA Dear Sri. NSMS,
மோடி பக்கம் இருக்கும் ஆதாரங்களை அப்பட்டமாக நம்பாத தாங்கள் மோடிக்கு எதிராக வாதிடும் வக்கீல் படேலின் வாதங்களை அப்பட்டமாக நம்புவதேன்?
வக்கீல் படேல் இங்கே சம்பளத்துக்கு வேலை செய்பவர். மோடி மீது தனிப்பட்ட விருப்பு வெறுப்புகளை மீறி அவருக்கு எதிராக வாதிட முன் வந்துள்ளவர். இவ்வளவு வலுவான vested interest இருக்கும் ஆசாமியை நீங்கள் நம்புவதற்குக் காரணம்?
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Dear Shri NSMS,
Like CHO many times do, I have simply brought the counter arguments and points that goes against the Gujarath CM. Since I am the one who is saying that the judgement is not yet come out, there is no question of supporting one side. When all others support one side, I simply point out the other side of arguments.
Further, I do not know about Patel but you agreed that Patel has nothing against Modi but he brought simply the points to the court from the opposit angle in order to help the court to make a correct decision. There are certain information such as //லோக் ஆயுக்த நீதிபதியை தேர்ந்தெடுக்கும் குழுவிலிருந்து குஜராத் தலைமை நீதிபதியை நீக்கும் சட்ட திருத்த மசோதா தொடர்பாக ..// can not be false as otherwise it will become a contempt of court and will also back-fire at the end.
If you notice my point was relating to such kind of inappropriate actions by Modi government which goes against the trust in judiciary system and LokAyuktha too.
When all of you in support of Modi, let me be alone to wait until the real truth is unveiled soon. I prefer to be a looser at the end if that comes with the truth goes along with the Gujarath CM. But this does not mean that I should also become a blind supporter for him as, in my opinion, many does. I brought all these news only after listening that bloggers are just keep on giving judgements in favour of one side instead of waiting for it as the real status of today. One may take it or reject it and it is upto him. I did not write on my own and I was simply quoting from the well recognized news papers like Dinamani. The editor of Dinamani is not against Modi and cannot be portrayed as a biased personality. A news giving does not mean that one is supporting one side. Those were feeds to make one thing about the facts in order to discover the real truth.
SKM, USA
Dear Sri. NSMS,
(In your post you have erroneously addressed me as NSMS...எனக்குள் இருக்கும் இறைப்பொருள் தான் தங்களுக்குள்ளும் இருக்கிறது என்பதைக் காட்டும் வகையில் அமைந்த error ரசிக்கும்படியாக இருந்தது.)
You have mentioned that, like Cho, you are simply bringing forth counter arguments.
But all of us who have a difference with you on this issue - we have been trying to say that those counter arguments are weak.
We are all saying that several of us are people who are indeed looking at BOTH sides of the story and are coming to the conclusion about being pro-Modi.
My point about Patel was that he is getting paid to argue against Modi. How can anyone expect him to be pro-Modi?
நமது நாட்டில், கொலைக் குற்றம் செய்தவருக்கு வழக்காடுபவர், தனது கட்சிக்காரர் குற்றவாளி என்று தெரிந்தும் அக்கட்சிக்கரருக்கு சாதகமாக வாதிடுவார். ஏன் என்றால் அப்படி சாதகமாக வாதிடுவதற்கு தான் சம்பளம் வாங்குகிறார்.
ஆகவே இங்கு படேல் மோடிக்கு எதிராகப் பேசுவது வியக்கத் தக்கதன்று. மாறாக அவ்வாறு பேசுவதுதான் எதிற்பார்க்கபடுகிறது.
I am not saying that what Patel says is false but that his arguments are probably weak - otherwise a seasoned analyst like Cho would have pointed out the merits of Patel's argument. Cho may like Modi and may be a Modi supporter but he does not lie to his readers. If there is anything against Modi that we readers should know about, he would have written it...although with a heavy heart.
If Modi's actions are indeed against the Judiciary System I am very sure he will be treated harshly - there is a lot of political and media power that is against Modi. So if his actions are PROVED to be wrong, there are many powerful people that will be very happy. But the whole point is ...despite people wanting to find some shred of evidence against Modi...nothing has come up!!!
Shri. NSMS - it is not about "all of us" against the "single you". It is about being able to see the facts of the case for what it is - there is NO EVIDENCE AGAINST MODI.
This is a fact.
Somehow you are having a hard time accepting that.
The Supreme Court itself is convinced about Modi. But you are not!
What do you want anybody to do in this situation?
N.S.M. Shahul Hameed
IPS officer Sanjeev Bhutt's response to the ? as to why he was keeping silence for a longer term:
"Many people have questioned my silence from 2002 to 2009. All I have to say to them is that I was privy to the information pertaining to the Gujarat Carnage of 2002 as an officer of the Intel...ligence Bureau and hence could not have officially divulged the information otherwise than under a binding legal obligation. Despite having been cited as a witness in the complaint of Mrs. Zakia Jafri in 2006, it was only in 2009 that I was called upon to depose by the Supreme Court appointed SIT. I came out with all the relevant and germane facts at the very first opportunity.
It has been a very patient wait for me and not an easy one at that. The patience of the law enforcer has always got to be greater than that of the law breaker. The patience of the hunter is always greater than that of the prey. It is not the kind of patience as in waiting passively. It is the kind of patience that requires you to hold on and keep going at your objective in spite of all the odds being loaded against you. It is the kind of patience that requires you to hold on to the truth and everything connected with it, even when the simple act of bringing out the truth is seen as nothing short of hara-kiri.
This kind of patience is not easy but it is definitely very rewarding and satisfying. And ultimately our only obligation in any lifetime is to be true to ourselves. Nothing else really matters!"
SKM, USA
Dear Sri. NSMS,
So, the IPS officer waited for the right time to voice his opinion.
He is very familiar with how the Indian bureaucracy works. He is very familiar with the philosophy of the law makers. One would not expect anything less from an IPS officer. If he didnt' know the basic philosophy of law enforcement one would wonder what exactly it was he learnt during his IPS training.
How is this an argument against Modi?
N.S.M. Shahul Hameed
I do not know about the quality of the IPS officer but i know he was one of the key witness that goes against Modi, which if proved goes very grave result to Modi. The current situation is that the court has not yet rejected his witness as it is still under inquiry/argument. His logical explanation is not challenged instead there are assumptions about his qualification, perhaps you might knew him better, but I cannot conclude based on someone's assumption against him as I do not know him neither do I know about your knowledge about him.
For me technically, in the current situation of corrupt politics, an IPS and IAS officers have to play a safe role. The politicians have no rule for their game play but the educated officers have. For example, when an IPS officer's charge against a CM is not taken seriously and is on the inquiry but people start giving judgement on the charge that he was absent for a few or more days on the office. Now, it is upto people to take which charge is more serious?. The people without any rule to play or morale value to show up can do anything against people who are bound to show up that they play within the rules. It is very difficult, in deed, as explained by the IPS officer himself.
If what you say or assume is correct, the 2G spectrum case would have been finished long time ago by all IAS and IPS officers are opening their mouth. It did not happen due to the protocols that are binding them. A small piece of information available to an officer might not prove a major corruption but a collection of many such information from many officers, compiled together in a logical reasoning might provide a substantial evidence that the corruption did take place. But the officers are not politicians to join together and come to court. Before such things happen, these politicians would put them behind bar one by one and some of the blind supporters would call these a day of success to their leaders.
i am not the one like this.
SKM, USA
Dear Sri. NSMS,
My response to you about the IPS officer was based solely on your post about that officer.
In that post, the only point that was that - the officer waited patiently to give his opinion. Your post did not have any information about what the officer wanted to say about Modi.
So, I did not understand how an officer's patience in speaking out - by itself, constitutes evidence against Modi.
Arun
I was kind of expecting such a response - anyhow I can't do much about it, people believe what they want to believe - even if it defies logic and reason. This atleast provides an opportunity for the bloggers to understand the need to separate the chaff from the wheat , I will leave it at that.
Coming back to the "startling" findings about the Lokayuktha, I don't want to waste time or space by re-writing what Cho said just four weeks back. I am providing the relevant link here to highlight the truth about the Lokpal issue in Gujarat. Cho has done an excellent job of narrating the Lokpal incidents in a chronological order, so there is no room for speculation or guesswork.
http://www.thuglak.com/thuglak/main.php?x=archive/08_09_2011/madhya_arasi
Next, the Gujarat Governor's "unimpeachable" credentials were also listed in Thuglak , 2 weeks back, by R.Natarajan. Here is the link - http://www.thuglak.com/thuglak/main.php?x=archive/22_09_2011/07_kuttraval
and listed below is the relevant section in the above mentioned article, verbatim
//"எது எப்படியோ, லோக் அயுக்தா நீதிபதியை நியமிப்பதில் அதீத ஆர்வம் காட்டியுள்ள கவர்னரது யோக்யதாம்சங்கள் என்னவென்று பார்ப்போமா? இவர் ராஜஸ்தானில் முன்பு மந்திரியாக இருந்தபோது, மாநில லோக் அயுக்தாவால் விசாரிக்கப்பட இருந்தவர். இப்போது சட்டத்தின் விசித்திரங்களால் தப்பித்திருக்கிறார். ராஜஸ்தான் மாநிலத்தில் நகர்ப்புற வளர்ச்சித் துறை அமைச்சராகவும், வீட்டு வசதித் துறைத் தலைவியாகவும் இருந்தபோது, பதவியைத் தவறாகப் பயன்படுத்தி, செல்வாக்குப் பெற்ற மற்றும் சமூகத்தின் மேல்தட்டிலிருந்த சிலருக்கு விதிகளை மீறிச் சலுகைகள் காட்டிய இவர் மீது அரசுக்கு நஷ்டம் ஏற்படுத்தினார் என்று 1992–ல் ராஜஸ்தான் மாநில லோக் அயுக்தாவுக்குப் புகார்கள் சென்றன. இதை இந்த வருடம் ஜூலை 12– ஆம் தேதி உச்ச நீதிமன்றம் சுட்டிக்காட்
contd .........
Arun
The above are the credentials of the Governer who suddenly wanted to root out corruption in Gujarat. Wow, what an inspiring story !!
Third, the IPS officer Sanjeev Bhatt's case - the allegations against him are very serious
* Not reporting to duty for 10 months, which is against Service Rules and derelection of duty.
* Threatening a Government employee ( his driver ) to lie in the Court about his presence at an important meeting chaired by Modi, during the time of the riots.
The above complaint was filed by the driver himself, not by the Government advocate or some third party. After all these incidents, the IPS officer now claims that he stands by truth, and that's why he kept quiet for 8 years - what an irony. One can only pity the people who believe this crap.
Lastly about Nitish Kumar - if one believes that he returned the 5 crores only because Modi appeared in a Bihar advertisement, then one has to be the most innocent person in the world. Nitish wanted to garner minority votes, so he used the anti-Modi card to achieve it. If he had so much "guts" and "self-respect", he should have faced the State elections without BJP's support ( Modi is a BJP man) , won it single-handedly , and then talked all this stuff. Listed below is the election data from 2005 and 2010 Bihar elections. It is obvious that BJP registered more gains , in terms of seats won, than Nitish Kumar (JDU) , thereby allowing him to form the Government.
Bihar Assembly Polls
Party 2005 2010 GAIN/LOSS
JDU 88 115 +27
BJP 55 91 +36
On the other hand, Modi won in Gujarat due to his performance and performance only - not with the help of coalation partners. When individual performers like Modi are humble and down-to-earth, people like Nitish, riding on coalation partnerts and votes should not mouth-off so much. They should learn a thing or two from Modi and quietly go about doing their good work.
Cheenu
Good Job Arun !!
உண்மையே உன் விலை என்ன? சொல் கொடுத்துவிடுகிறோம், வாங்கி கொண்டு இடத்தை காலி பன்ணு, நாங்கள் பொய்யை கொண்டுவந்து மோடியை அகற்ற வேண்டும்.
N.S.M. Shahul Hameed
//* Threatening a Government employee ( his driver ) to lie in the Court about his presence at an important meeting chaired by Modi, during the time of the riots.
The above complaint was filed by the driver himself, not by the Government advocate or some third party.//
This is a biggest joke. Any advocate wants such things happens, then he can advise the complaint to be filed by the person himself. This is within the ABC of the legal practices.
// After all these incidents, the IPS officer now claims that he stands by truth, and that's why he kept quiet for 8 years - what an irony. One can only pity the people who believe this crap.//
The IPS officer logically explained why the delay. Even according to him his witness was reported by 2006 (i.e. within 4 years of the incident happened) but the court was calling him only during 2009 (at this time it was 7 years). Now, one can see how a blind supporter of Modi can speak against an officer by false numbers (8 years). One can only pity the people who believe this crap.
// Nitish wanted to garner minority votes, so he used the anti-Modi card to achieve it. If he had so much "guts" and "self-respect", he should have faced the State elections without BJP's support ( Modi is a BJP man)//
Even if this is true, then after Nitish dared to reject and showed his unwillingness to accept BJP hand, then BJP should have the guts to withdrew their support to Nitish. One can also say that BJP wanted to grow in Bihar behind the support of Nitish. Even DMDK (Vijayakanth) showed some self-respect when jj's attitude showed some insult to them. It was only after CHO like person's intervention that they merged together. Similarly something could have happened, so do not criticise or ridicule Nitish on this.
Arun
Hmm, so if a driver/policeman filed a complaint in quick time, then it was because he was forced by the Government advocate to do so. But if the IPS officer opened his mouth after 4,7,8 or n number of years, then he as to be believed -wow. It was this same person who didn't bother to report to duty for 10 months - when is he going to talk about it - after 10 years ? Or are we going to hear some lame excuse for this absense also ? Are these people going to tell us that the IPS officer was crawling from his home to work ?
On the happennings in Bihar, of course, BJP wants to grow its influence there, just like any other state - but they are not hiding it or trying to cover it up. It is Nitish who did that, acting "brave" and mouthing-off against Modi and at the same time clinging to power with BJP's help. So comparing BJP's growth and Nitish's "valour" is just childish.
N.S.M. Shahul Hameed
I am not a blind supporter to take what the constable saying is the truth, especially that goes in favour of the CM under who's ruling he is placed and rejecting what an IPS officer saying is the false one. Even after he gave the logical explanation of his maintaining silence until the court legally asked him to speak. All these facts must come out in due course, if the court proceedings goes in right manner. Not only this IPS officers but there were a few more who tried to speak against Modi (I do not say if it was the true or false) but they were also made to shut now. Unmaiye Un Vilai Enna story is going and the climax is still awaited. Though I would like to join those who are in support of Modi, my intuition and the audit minds of reading all what is going on is saying that something fishy is still there to resolve the confusion and the real verdict to come on earth.
Even if you analyse the Dinamani news posting, I was referring to Modi's objection to the Chief Justice of the HC of Gujarath to take involvement in the LokAuktha and I did not get the answer, instead the governor's weakness is pointed out here. I agree that the governer is against Modi as she is from congress. For example, in Karnataka too the governer was from congress and he lead like an opposition leader against Ediyurappa. But does that mean Ediyurappa was uncorrupt? I cannot give one a clean chit just because those opposing him are corrupt.
SKM, USA
Dear Sri. NSMS,
I believe that all parties are being given a chance to voice their opinion. The Supreme Court has found out that there are going to be no startling surprises against Modi. Neutral investigators have been brought in to find out what happened. And they have given Modi a clean chit.
Also comparing Modi to Ediyurappa is like comparing apples to oranges. There are so many differences between the two - in terms of policy, state politics, personal approach and related peculiarities. One can't use the Governor's opposition as the only common factor that links the two.
N.S.M. Shahul Hameed
Dear Shri SKM,
These are the examples to say that there are emotional curtains which comes in the way of one's fair decision making.
1. //I believe that all parties are being given a chance to voice their opinion.//
if this true then the court would not have asked to conduct the inquiry after hearing the pettioner, the difference is that the SC court considered that the case is to be heared by the lower court.
2. // The Supreme Court has found out that there are going to be no startling surprises against Modi. Neutral investigators have been brought in to find out what happened. And they have given Modi a clean chit.// Can you prove from any of the SC verdict statement that this actually what was pronounced. These are the words feed to our mouth by media, especially the Modi supporting media. This like CBI is saying that HM is not to be inquired and court as yet is not saying HM to be called, then the congress supporters shouting that HM got clean chit.
I did not compare Ediyurappa and Modi but gave you an example to consider that why one should not conclude that one is clearn if he is opposed by many corrupt. Yes, the chances are more for Modi to be clean if all his opposing parties are corrupt. But here, the victims and a few police officers witnesses are not to be rejected as coming from corrupt peoples. My way of analytical process will not accept this method.
Dear Shri NSMS,
Like CHO many times do, I have simply brought the counter arguments and points that goes against the Gujarath CM. Since I am the one who is saying that the judgement is not yet come out, there is no question of supporting one side. When all others support one side, I simply point out the other side of arguments.
Further, I do not know about Patel but you agreed that Patel has nothing against Modi but he brought simply the points to the court from the opposit angle in order to help the court to make a correct decision. There are certain information such as //லோக் ஆயுக்த நீதிபதியை தேர்ந்தெடுக்கும் குழுவிலிருந்து குஜராத் தலைமை நீதிபதியை நீக்கும் சட்ட திருத்த மசோதா தொடர்பாக ..// can not be false as otherwise it will become a contempt of court and will also back-fire at the end.
If you notice my point was relating to such kind of inappropriate actions by Modi government which goes against the trust in judiciary system and LokAyuktha too.
When all of you in support of Modi, let me be alone to wait until the real truth is unveiled soon. I prefer to be a looser at the end if that comes with the truth goes along with the Gujarath CM. But this does not mean that I should also become a blind supporter for him as, in my opinion, many does. I brought all these news only after listening that bloggers are just keep on giving judgements in favour of one side instead of waiting for it as the real status of today. One may take it or reject it and it is upto him. I did not write on my own and I was simply quoting from the well recognized news papers like Dinamani. The editor of Dinamani is not against Modi and cannot be portrayed as a biased personality. A news giving does not mean that one is supporting one side. Those were feeds to make one thing about the facts in order to discover the real truth.
SKM, USA Dear Sri. NSMS,
(In your post you have erroneously addressed me as NSMS...எனக்குள் இருக்கும் இறைப்பொருள் தான் தங்களுக்குள்ளும் இருக்கிறது என்பதைக் காட்டும் வகையில் அமைந்த error ரசிக்கும்படியாக இருந்தது.)
You have mentioned that, like Cho, you are simply bringing forth counter arguments.
But all of us who have a difference with you on this issue - we have been trying to say that those counter arguments are weak.
We are all saying that several of us are people who are indeed looking at BOTH sides of the story and are coming to the conclusion about being pro-Modi.
My point about Patel was that he is getting paid to argue against Modi. How can anyone expect him to be pro-Modi?
நமது நாட்டில், கொலைக் குற்றம் செய்தவருக்கு வழக்காடுபவர், தனது கட்சிக்காரர் குற்றவாளி என்று தெரிந்தும் அக்கட்சிக்கரருக்கு சாதகமாக வாதிடுவார். ஏன் என்றால் அப்படி சாதகமாக வாதிடுவதற்கு தான் சம்பளம் வாங்குகிறார்.
ஆகவே இங்கு படேல் மோடிக்கு எதிராகப் பேசுவது வியக்கத் தக்கதன்று. மாறாக அவ்வாறு பேசுவதுதான் எதிற்பார்க்கபடுகிறது.
I am not saying that what Patel says is false but that his arguments are probably weak - otherwise a seasoned analyst like Cho would have pointed out the merits of Patel's argument. Cho may like Modi and may be a Modi supporter but he does not lie to his readers. If there is anything against Modi that we readers should know about, he would have written it...although with a heavy heart.
If Modi's actions are indeed against the Judiciary System I am very sure he will be treated harshly - there is a lot of political and media power that is against Modi. So if his actions are PROVED to be wrong, there are many powerful people that will be very happy. But the whole point is ...despite people wanting to find some shred of evidence against Modi...nothing has come up!!!
Shri. NSMS - it is not about "all of us" against the "single you". It is about being able to see the facts of the case for what it is - there is NO EVIDENCE AGAINST MODI.
This is a fact.
Somehow you are having a hard time accepting that.
The Supreme Court itself is convinced about Modi. But you are not!
What do you want anybody to do in this situation?
N.S.M. Shahul Hameed IPS officer Sanjeev Bhutt's response to the ? as to why he was keeping silence for a longer term:
"Many people have questioned my silence from 2002 to 2009. All I have to say to them is that I was privy to the information pertaining to the Gujarat Carnage of 2002 as an officer of the Intel...ligence Bureau and hence could not have officially divulged the information otherwise than under a binding legal obligation. Despite having been cited as a witness in the complaint of Mrs. Zakia Jafri in 2006, it was only in 2009 that I was called upon to depose by the Supreme Court appointed SIT. I came out with all the relevant and germane facts at the very first opportunity.
It has been a very patient wait for me and not an easy one at that. The patience of the law enforcer has always got to be greater than that of the law breaker. The patience of the hunter is always greater than that of the prey. It is not the kind of patience as in waiting passively. It is the kind of patience that requires you to hold on and keep going at your objective in spite of all the odds being loaded against you. It is the kind of patience that requires you to hold on to the truth and everything connected with it, even when the simple act of bringing out the truth is seen as nothing short of hara-kiri.
This kind of patience is not easy but it is definitely very rewarding and satisfying. And ultimately our only obligation in any lifetime is to be true to ourselves. Nothing else really matters!"
SKM, USA Dear Sri. NSMS,
So, the IPS officer waited for the right time to voice his opinion.
He is very familiar with how the Indian bureaucracy works. He is very familiar with the philosophy of the law makers. One would not expect anything less from an IPS officer. If he didnt' know the basic philosophy of law enforcement one would wonder what exactly it was he learnt during his IPS training.
How is this an argument against Modi?
N.S.M. Shahul Hameed I do not know about the quality of the IPS officer but i know he was one of the key witness that goes against Modi, which if proved goes very grave result to Modi. The current situation is that the court has not yet rejected his witness as it is still under inquiry/argument. His logical explanation is not challenged instead there are assumptions about his qualification, perhaps you might knew him better, but I cannot conclude based on someone's assumption against him as I do not know him neither do I know about your knowledge about him.
For me technically, in the current situation of corrupt politics, an IPS and IAS officers have to play a safe role. The politicians have no rule for their game play but the educated officers have. For example, when an IPS officer's charge against a CM is not taken seriously and is on the inquiry but people start giving judgement on the charge that he was absent for a few or more days on the office. Now, it is upto people to take which charge is more serious?. The people without any rule to play or morale value to show up can do anything against people who are bound to show up that they play within the rules. It is very difficult, in deed, as explained by the IPS officer himself.
If what you say or assume is correct, the 2G spectrum case would have been finished long time ago by all IAS and IPS officers are opening their mouth. It did not happen due to the protocols that are binding them. A small piece of information available to an officer might not prove a major corruption but a collection of many such information from many officers, compiled together in a logical reasoning might provide a substantial evidence that the corruption did take place. But the officers are not politicians to join together and come to court. Before such things happen, these politicians would put them behind bar one by one and some of the blind supporters would call these a day of success to their leaders.
i am not the one like this.
SKM, USA Dear Sri. NSMS,
My response to you about the IPS officer was based solely on your post about that officer.
In that post, the only point that was that - the officer waited patiently to give his opinion. Your post did not have any information about what the officer wanted to say about Modi.
So, I did not understand how an officer's patience in speaking out - by itself, constitutes evidence against Modi.
Arun I was kind of expecting such a response - anyhow I can't do much about it, people believe what they want to believe - even if it defies logic and reason. This atleast provides an opportunity for the bloggers to understand the need to separate the chaff from the wheat , I will leave it at that.
Coming back to the "startling" findings about the Lokayuktha, I don't want to waste time or space by re-writing what Cho said just four weeks back. I am providing the relevant link here to highlight the truth about the Lokpal issue in Gujarat. Cho has done an excellent job of narrating the Lokpal incidents in a chronological order, so there is no room for speculation or guesswork.
http://www.thuglak.com/thuglak/main.php?x=archive/08_09_2011/madhya_arasi
Next, the Gujarat Governor's "unimpeachable" credentials were also listed in Thuglak , 2 weeks back, by R.Natarajan. Here is the link - http://www.thuglak.com/thuglak/main.php?x=archive/22_09_2011/07_kuttraval
and listed below is the relevant section in the above mentioned article, verbatim
//"எது எப்படியோ, லோக் அயுக்தா நீதிபதியை நியமிப்பதில் அதீத ஆர்வம் காட்டியுள்ள கவர்னரது யோக்யதாம்சங்கள் என்னவென்று பார்ப்போமா? இவர் ராஜஸ்தானில் முன்பு மந்திரியாக இருந்தபோது, மாநில லோக் அயுக்தாவால் விசாரிக்கப்பட இருந்தவர். இப்போது சட்டத்தின் விசித்திரங்களால் தப்பித்திருக்கிறார். ராஜஸ்தான் மாநிலத்தில் நகர்ப்புற வளர்ச்சித் துறை அமைச்சராகவும், வீட்டு வசதித் துறைத் தலைவியாகவும் இருந்தபோது, பதவியைத் தவறாகப் பயன்படுத்தி, செல்வாக்குப் பெற்ற மற்றும் சமூகத்தின் மேல்தட்டிலிருந்த சிலருக்கு விதிகளை மீறிச் சலுகைகள் காட்டிய இவர் மீது அரசுக்கு நஷ்டம் ஏற்படுத்தினார் என்று 1992–ல் ராஜஸ்தான் மாநில லோக் அயுக்தாவுக்குப் புகார்கள் சென்றன. இதை இந்த வருடம் ஜூலை 12– ஆம் தேதி உச்ச நீதிமன்றம் சுட்டிக்காட்
contd .........
Arun The above are the credentials of the Governer who suddenly wanted to root out corruption in Gujarat. Wow, what an inspiring story !!
Third, the IPS officer Sanjeev Bhatt's case - the allegations against him are very serious
* Not reporting to duty for 10 months, which is against Service Rules and derelection of duty.
* Threatening a Government employee ( his driver ) to lie in the Court about his presence at an important meeting chaired by Modi, during the time of the riots.
The above complaint was filed by the driver himself, not by the Government advocate or some third party. After all these incidents, the IPS officer now claims that he stands by truth, and that's why he kept quiet for 8 years - what an irony. One can only pity the people who believe this crap.
Lastly about Nitish Kumar - if one believes that he returned the 5 crores only because Modi appeared in a Bihar advertisement, then one has to be the most innocent person in the world. Nitish wanted to garner minority votes, so he used the anti-Modi card to achieve it. If he had so much "guts" and "self-respect", he should have faced the State elections without BJP's support ( Modi is a BJP man) , won it single-handedly , and then talked all this stuff. Listed below is the election data from 2005 and 2010 Bihar elections. It is obvious that BJP registered more gains , in terms of seats won, than Nitish Kumar (JDU) , thereby allowing him to form the Government.
Bihar Assembly Polls
Party 2005 2010 GAIN/LOSS
JDU 88 115 +27
BJP 55 91 +36
On the other hand, Modi won in Gujarat due to his performance and performance only - not with the help of coalation partners. When individual performers like Modi are humble and down-to-earth, people like Nitish, riding on coalation partnerts and votes should not mouth-off so much. They should learn a thing or two from Modi and quietly go about doing their good work.
Cheenu Good Job Arun !!
உண்மையே உன் விலை என்ன? சொல் கொடுத்துவிடுகிறோம், வாங்கி கொண்டு இடத்தை காலி பன்ணு, நாங்கள் பொய்யை கொண்டுவந்து மோடியை அகற்ற வேண்டும்.
N.S.M. Shahul Hameed //* Threatening a Government employee ( his driver ) to lie in the Court about his presence at an important meeting chaired by Modi, during the time of the riots.
The above complaint was filed by the driver himself, not by the Government advocate or some third party.//
This is a biggest joke. Any advocate wants such things happens, then he can advise the complaint to be filed by the person himself. This is within the ABC of the legal practices.
// After all these incidents, the IPS officer now claims that he stands by truth, and that's why he kept quiet for 8 years - what an irony. One can only pity the people who believe this crap.//
The IPS officer logically explained why the delay. Even according to him his witness was reported by 2006 (i.e. within 4 years of the incident happened) but the court was calling him only during 2009 (at this time it was 7 years). Now, one can see how a blind supporter of Modi can speak against an officer by false numbers (8 years). One can only pity the people who believe this crap.
// Nitish wanted to garner minority votes, so he used the anti-Modi card to achieve it. If he had so much "guts" and "self-respect", he should have faced the State elections without BJP's support ( Modi is a BJP man)//
Even if this is true, then after Nitish dared to reject and showed his unwillingness to accept BJP hand, then BJP should have the guts to withdrew their support to Nitish. One can also say that BJP wanted to grow in Bihar behind the support of Nitish. Even DMDK (Vijayakanth) showed some self-respect when jj's attitude showed some insult to them. It was only after CHO like person's intervention that they merged together. Similarly something could have happened, so do not criticise or ridicule Nitish on this.
Arun Hmm, so if a driver/policeman filed a complaint in quick time, then it was because he was forced by the Government advocate to do so. But if the IPS officer opened his mouth after 4,7,8 or n number of years, then he as to be believed -wow. It was this same person who didn't bother to report to duty for 10 months - when is he going to talk about it - after 10 years ? Or are we going to hear some lame excuse for this absense also ? Are these people going to tell us that the IPS officer was crawling from his home to work ?
On the happennings in Bihar, of course, BJP wants to grow its influence there, just like any other state - but they are not hiding it or trying to cover it up. It is Nitish who did that, acting "brave" and mouthing-off against Modi and at the same time clinging to power with BJP's help. So comparing BJP's growth and Nitish's "valour" is just childish.
N.S.M. Shahul Hameed I am not a blind supporter to take what the constable saying is the truth, especially that goes in favour of the CM under who's ruling he is placed and rejecting what an IPS officer saying is the false one. Even after he gave the logical explanation of his maintaining silence until the court legally asked him to speak. All these facts must come out in due course, if the court proceedings goes in right manner. Not only this IPS officers but there were a few more who tried to speak against Modi (I do not say if it was the true or false) but they were also made to shut now. Unmaiye Un Vilai Enna story is going and the climax is still awaited. Though I would like to join those who are in support of Modi, my intuition and the audit minds of reading all what is going on is saying that something fishy is still there to resolve the confusion and the real verdict to come on earth.
Even if you analyse the Dinamani news posting, I was referring to Modi's objection to the Chief Justice of the HC of Gujarath to take involvement in the LokAuktha and I did not get the answer, instead the governor's weakness is pointed out here. I agree that the governer is against Modi as she is from congress. For example, in Karnataka too the governer was from congress and he lead like an opposition leader against Ediyurappa. But does that mean Ediyurappa was uncorrupt? I cannot give one a clean chit just because those opposing him are corrupt.
SKM, USA Dear Sri. NSMS,
I believe that all parties are being given a chance to voice their opinion. The Supreme Court has found out that there are going to be no startling surprises against Modi. Neutral investigators have been brought in to find out what happened. And they have given Modi a clean chit.
Also comparing Modi to Ediyurappa is like comparing apples to oranges. There are so many differences between the two - in terms of policy, state politics, personal approach and related peculiarities. One can't use the Governor's opposition as the only common factor that links the two.
N.S.M. Shahul Hameed Dear Shri SKM,
These are the examples to say that there are emotional curtains which comes in the way of one's fair decision making.
1. //I believe that all parties are being given a chance to voice their opinion.//
if this true then the court would not have asked to conduct the inquiry after hearing the pettioner, the difference is that the SC court considered that the case is to be heared by the lower court.
2. // The Supreme Court has found out that there are going to be no startling surprises against Modi. Neutral investigators have been brought in to find out what happened. And they have given Modi a clean chit.// Can you prove from any of the SC verdict statement that this actually what was pronounced. These are the words feed to our mouth by media, especially the Modi supporting media. This like CBI is saying that HM is not to be inquired and court as yet is not saying HM to be called, then the congress supporters shouting that HM got clean chit.
I did not compare Ediyurappa and Modi but gave you an example to consider that why one should not conclude that one is clearn if he is opposed by many corrupt. Yes, the chances are more for Modi to be clean if all his opposing parties are corrupt. But here, the victims and a few police officers witnesses are not to be rejected as coming from corrupt peoples. My way of analytical process will not accept this method.
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